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happening now in the "newsroom." >> this is one of the things that makes a commander's gut churn a little. >> iran -- >> i don't think the timing of this two naval vessels in the persian gulf is incidental. >> and also. >> the president of the united states. >> one last time. >> the state of our union is strong. >> president obama tries to calm republicans fears and takes a dig at americans who want his job. and pandemonium. >> i ain't got to work again no more. >> lines of daydreamers are out the door. >> first i'm going to retire and then move someplace warm. >> don't quit your day jobs just yet. let's talk, live in the cnn "newsroom." >> and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining
me. ten american navy sailors are free after a full day in iranian detention. these photos released hours ago showing the nine men and one woman resting. after their two vessels were seized after apparently drifting into the iranian waters in the persian gulf. >> reporter: i think washington woke up to a big sigh of relief this morning with those ten sailors now being released. it happened several hours ago, they cam back into international waters in the persian gulf on board their two small u.s. navy vessels, small boats have a had drifted into the iranian waters. they cam back under their own power. so now one of the big questions was one was of those navy boats actually disabled. did they have a mechanical problem? did they have a navigation
problem? how is it they drifted into the iranian waters. all of it i'm told under investigation. they came back into the u.s. water, a navy warship was there and they are now being transferred back to shore. full repatriatation process under way. medical checks, psychological and debriefing by officials about what happened to them when they were inside iran, what the iranians said and did. but right now the big question is of course how o all of this happened and there is no answer yes. somebody knows but that answer not being made public obviously until they fully debrief the sailors. and the big stakes here not the fate of the sailor bs thank you iran nuclear agreement. the thinking in washington that
the iranians did not want to do anything to stop that agreement from going into effect from getting access to their funds that have been under sanctions so they too wanted to get this resolved very quickly. >> barbara starr live from the pentagon thank you. next hour we'll hear from secretary of state john kerry who's being credited with the swift diplomacy in resolving this incident. now that the sailors are back in u.s. custody what happens next? and how does this impact diplomatic relations with iran? after all iran still wants the united states to apologize for this incident. let's ask cnn military analyst mark curt ling and david terfurri former obama advisor. before we get into the weeds general, should america apologize to iran for this is this. >> well we're talking about a
ship that somehow wandered into the territorial waters and i think it would be appropriate in this case. sometimes when you make mistakes in the military. you have to say boy, we botch this, sorry about that. this is not a big deal. it is not bowing to another nation. it is may nintaining territoria integrity. >> many americans are going to say are you kidding general? >> of course. i'm going to get a lot of heat for that statement but that is what you do. and truthfully carroll, everyone knows the u.s. military is very good at what they do, as the parking lig president said last night. but you know what, these are young people and they make mistakes. they may have had a mechanical error or gps malfunction or just bad map reading but something wrong happened. so i think it is appropriate to say hey we didn't adhere to your
territorial waters and we apologize for that. >> david, i think another concern for americans is iran shifting messages yesterday. the reasoning it had for holding the americans. first, the iranian said the sailor s trespassed. then a residence cue -- rescue operation. and then ultimately deeming it unintentional. what do you make of the situation on what actually happened? >> this could have been a real problem for president obama. the day of the speech u.s. sailors get taken hostage by iran. but it seems to have worked out. and iran of course is also struggling to figure out what happened, why the sailors and the ship were in iran's territorial waters and likely there was some dissension about how to deal with this.
the hard liners of course want to use this to show they can get back another the u.s. where is ra the moderates who want the agreement to go forward and desperately want the sanctions relief that is going to come very soon probably insisted on taking a much softer line in dealing with the u.s. and getting these sailors back as quickly as possible. which is exactly what happened. that is what president obama tried to splain last night with his policy for dealing with rogue nations to bring an international community and reach an agreement and galvanize support for the agreement and work out problems like this through diplomacy. so far it's looked like that is how that's worked out and as a positive for a president. >> the other thing and maybe it has smog to do with the iran deal. i don't know, general. but the iranians not only returned the sailors but they returned their boats what. what should we make of that. >> >> they teach all of us at the war colleges, relationships matter. when you have an engagement over a year like the secretary did
with mr. ja fefir. you can't replace that. the phone call was important but i think they returned the boat because truth think it is a boat. it is a small rcb. they have some machine guns on them. it carries a crew of five. and it can load other passengers on it. and it has encrypted radios but that is about it. it doesn't have any spying devices or anything that would intimidate iran. you know, compared to like the u.s.s. pueblo in the north korea and it literally was a spy ship can the north koreans kept it. and this is just a both and they said let's put them back on board and get them back out to fleet. and i think it is because of what's been ovhappening over th last two years plus. >> republicans are very
concerned about the deal. and so are many americans. what should we take away from this incident as it applies to this iranian nuclear deal if anything. >> i also have concerns about the iranian nuclear deal. the biggest problem with it is we're going to do have to see this going to change iran's behavior and and we really don't know. maybe it is not with testing new missile systems very close to the u.s. military and this shows perhaps a change of behavior and probably as a result of the agreement. so the relationships are very important are, the relationship between secretary kerry and how that's developed. we also see the agreement and the inducements to iran, including the sanctions relief probably causing iran to take a softer line and release the sailors very quickly. much more quickly than its released hostages in the past. you remember the iran hostage
crisis, different circumstances but they held our embassy personnel more than 400 days. and this was resolved in one day. which is a success. >> thanks for your insight. president obama focused on selling optimism to a nervous nation. >> if we want a better politics it is not enough just do change a congressman or change a senator are even change a president. we have to change the system to reflect our better severalourel. >> president obama also touched on hot button issues. cnn's michelle kosinski has more for you.
>> reporter: entering the capitkap capitol president obama was met with so much energy it took a good five minutes to get started. >> let's bring to it order here. for this final one i'm going too try to make it a little shorter. i know some of you are antsy to get back to iowa. i've been there. we won't agree on healthcare any time soon. but -- ha ha, little applause back there. >> but wasted no time in repeatedly sharply digging republican candidates for their criticism. >> anyone claiming american's economy is in decline is pedaling hetoric you hear.
we need to reject any politics, any politics that targets people because of race or religion. >> a sentiment that interestingly was echoed in the republican rebuttal by south carolina governor nikki haley. >> it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angry -- >> reporter: donald trump tweeted the president's speech was boring. slow, lethargic. ted cruz didn't attend but said this. >> i will apologize to nobody for my commitment to kill the terrorists. >> one of president obama's goals here was optimism, which lately the white house uses to try to build a contrast with how they see the republican field. >> 60 years ago, when the russians beat us into space, we didn't deny psputnik was up
there. we didn't argue about the science or shrink our research and development budget. we built a space program almost overnight and 12 years later we were walking on the moon. that spirit of discovery is in our dna. let's make america the country that cures cancer once and for all. >> that sentiment brought both sides of the aisle to its feet. nones suing over obamacare, american muslims and kim davis. americ president conceding that politics remains a barrier, calling on individual americans to set aside cynicism and vote. >> because i believe in you, the american people and that is why i stand here as confident as i have ever been. that the state of our union is
strong. >> all right. michelle kosinski joins us from the white house to tell us more about the color of last night's event. because there were many interesting moments. >> reporter: yeah there were. and also, you know, listening kim davis there that was kind of interesting she was in congressman jim jordan's box. but he put out a statement making it seem like she was the one who reached out and asked for an invitation and she told reporters she wanted to make a statement. remember she's the texas court clerk who he refused to give out same-sex marriage licenses and she wanted to make a big statement there and the camera focused on her a few times and also interesting about 30 minutes into the speech the new house speaker paul ryan had his office put out a statement saying okay hear we are
listening to this. and he was calling what president obama was saying sound bi bites. that it wasn't a real path forward. that it really didn't pose a solution to isis or the economy. and that we can do better. also, you know, the white house for days was saying that in this speech you are going to hear a lot of passion from the president. some were using the word non traditional. i don't know that this is really anything we haven't heard before. he focused on optimism and moving forward but when you go back and look at his prior speech, especially his first one, you can definitely see the difference there. and he makes reference to a lot. all the gray hairs that he's gained in his nearly eight years now as president of the united states, carol. >> yeah. i think we just saw the contrast there. >> i wouldn't want anyone do that to me. i don't want to see a split screen of myself almost a decade earlier. just keep that in mind carol. >> amen sister. michelle kosinski live from the white house this morning.
>> see you litter. >> still to come, as the democratic race tightens, hillary clinton making this pledge to iowa voters. >> i'm asking iowans, in they will stand up for me on caucus night, i will be standing up for them. >> hear more on clinton's thoughts on iowa and those ever changing polls, next.
clinton. and iowa seeming to echo across the nation in sentiment. what does hillary clinton make of it numbers? she talked with my colleague alisyn camerota mar about that. >> she explained her plan. >> thank you for sitting down. so ear in ames, iowa. the temperature is one degree as we speak. and i know that you have been going to countless campaign events here. and i'm wondering when you get up in the morning in iowa, if there are every times you question your life choices? >> ha ha ha, actually no. i grew up in chicago. i'm used to cold weather.
it doesn't bother me. in fact i'm somewhat reassured there is a real winter. that we're actually seeing snow and lower temperatures but i get up every day whether i'm in iowa, new hampshire wherever i am in the country and i really look forward to the day. because i find the opportunity to go out and listen to people, hear their stories, give them my views about what i think the next president should do. very nrnenergizing and very reinvigorating all the time. >> let's talk about the tightening race between you and bernie sanders. bernie sanders was speaking to reporters monday night here in iowa. and he said that your campaign is in, quote, serious trouble. is that how you feel? >> not at all. in fact i have always known that if you are going to run to be president, particularly in the democratic party, it is a long hard, challenging road. is i've been in these elections before. they always tighten up. as people begin to make up their minds, as they look at the
candidates. totally predictable. i feel really good about the campaign organization that i have. a caucus is different from a primary. it takes a lot of intensive work to convince people to come out on a cold monday night, spend a couple of hours, in order to stand up fur your candidate. i'm asking iowans if they will stand up for me on caucus night aisle with standing up for them all throughout my presidency. >> there is a new quinnipiac poll, bernie sanders is now beating you in iowa. 49% to 44%. this is the first time since september. 20 days out. does he have more momentum than you do. >> the funny thing alisyn is an hour later after that poll came out there was another poll i was leading him about six points up.
i don't pay any attention to this. i don't feel that it is a good reflection about who will actually come out on caucus night. i can only tell you that the energy the enthusiasm t excitement of the volunteers and organizers, the voters who come and sign up, commit to caucus cards is just building. that is my experience. i'll let people poll and try to figure who is going to show up. i'm looking at people who are showing up, making up their minds and trying to convince them and come out and caucus for me. >> why don't you feel that the polls are a good reflection of what is going to happen in the caucus? >> because they are so unpredictable. and it is gotten increasingly difficult to poll and i think you would have to add a degree for polling for a caucus. that's been my experience. i've watched this a long time. i've had a prior election where i kpand in iowcampaigned in iow.
i just get up every day and go out there and drawing my case and drawing my contrast. highest regard for my opponents but there are differences and we need a spirited debate. after the first of the year a lot more people start paying attention and now it is make or break time. people make up their minds. >> bernie sanders is also winning in new hampshire. not surprising, he's from the neighboring state. have you considered what would happen if he wins in iowa and new hampshire what your plan is? >> i don't think about that. i'm going to do everything i can to win. as big a margin as possible in the caucus. then go to the primary. but this is a national campaign. we've been organizing in south carolina, nevada, the march 1st states, the march 15th states. remember i campaigned all the way into june last time. and i have always thought that given the unpredictability and the changes in people's concerns
going into this election, that we wouldn't know exactly how the outcome would be for, you know, a couple of cycles of these primaries and caucuses. so i'm going to do my best to convince more iowans to come out and caucus for me. and even though as you say senator sanders is a neighbor. and a neighbor has never lost to new hampshire. i'm going to take that challenge on to get people in new hampshire to support me as well. >> one of the things i really notice about that interview is hillary clinton seems much more energized in your interview than she has in interviews in the past. >> as you know people are different. politicians are different in real life than they sometimes seem on television and that is why the iowa voters know and the new hampshire voters go see them too. and she came out. she did seem energetic. she had a morning campaign event. she seemed comfortable. she seemed can confident. behind the scenes her campaign may be nervous at the poll
numbers and they didn't seem as comfortable as she was yesterday but nationally she's still doing well. maybe she has reason but that was my word on her yesterday. >> a lot of people are confused about the polls. nobody knows which to believe. does she have a point? >> well they do fluctuate. that's true. however, the momentum seems to be with bernie sanders. her poll numbers are declining, while his are ascending and that is not a good sign. >> exactly the right time, right? >> e. >> caucuses are just around the corner right now. >> thanks for stopping by. >> thanks so much. >> with me now is ron brown. and donna brazil. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> so ron, why is bernz resonating and clinton kine of fading in? good question. there are reasons for concern
but not yet panic. the concern is bernie sanders is clearly expanning his base. when he started he was very much what i could call a wine track candidate. almost entirely on support from white upper middle class liberals. if you look at new polling in new hampshire he is now competitive and even ahead among blue collar whites as well. in addition hillary clinton is facing a significant gender gap in the wrong direction in the democratic party. looking at big deficits among men in iowa and new hampshire. those are both reasons for concern carol. the reason it isn't at the point of panic is because bernie sanders has not yet shown he can crack bernie sanders' domination among minorities, african americans and hispanics. iowa and new hampshire are virtually all white states but if he does as well as he's doing there in the biggest diverse
states later she'll lose them. i think she still has the upper hand though even though it could be bumpy. >> it is clear the clinton camp is a little worried. take a look at the latest clinton
ad. >> an average of 90 people are killed by guns in country every single day it. has to stop. president obama wants to make universal background checks the law of the land and he wants to make sure gun manufacturers can finally be held accountable when their guns are used to kill our children. it is time to pick a side. either we stand with the gun lobby or we join the president and stand up to them. i'm with him. please join us. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. >> not only is clinton tacking sanders on gunds but she says sanders ants to dismantle medicare obamacare and the chip program. not necessarily true but will that sort of thing work? >> i think you have to have a
really strong closing argument in order to motivate people who might not be so incollide to go to the caucuses to come out and vote for you. i do believe although she came into the a close third place finish in 2008 she has a good organization and volunteers and resources and that will help her in the end. if you have a strategy to win these caucuses to come in first place i they think that strategy should continue to hold as the polls go back and forth. as to the policy differences, there are major and minor ones. i think we'll hear this weekend in the debate in south carolina if bernie sanders has moved on on the gun liability issue and we'll find out if hillary clinton has a better answer for wall street. these are issues that animate democrats, progressives and i think we're having a very competitive debate within the
democratic party. and good for the country as well. >> going back to south carolina and the minority vote you were talking about, sanders seems to be setting sight on south carolina and the important minority voters. he's launched a campaign to woo minority voters in south carolina. so he's on to what you said, ron. >> there is no avoiding it. iowa and new hampshire are anomalous. they are basically states where over 90% of the voters will be white. and as a result they have also often been very receptive to the outsider resurging candidates but to ultimately win you move to south carolina with a --. and then as you move into the big states new york, california, illinois, new jersey there is no way to win the democratic nomination without appealing to minorities. and so far in the polling in most places hillary clinton has been up six, even seven to one among african americans in south carolina. so until bernie sanders shows he
can make the cultural connection that goes beyond his class-based economic argument it is still an uphill climb but if he wins both of the first contests there will be a lot of disruption. >> is it possible bernie sanders could take the minority vote away from hillary clinton. >> >> people saw in 2008 president obama couldn't and you saw what happened. i think it is about competing to energize and really talk not just about cultural issues but economic. people of color, high minorities of stripes want a president who will continue to make gains the way this president did. and also continue to fight for the bigger issues we all believe in. and some of the great things like president obama has accomplished like healthcare. i think bernie sanders understands he has to go south, as well as west and east in order to capture i billy -- the
heart and soul of the american people. >> thanks to both of you. still to come in the "newsroom," south carolina governor nikki haley refusing to back down after saying republicans shoulder some of the blame for tense political relations in this country. and telling her conservative colleagues to look in the mirror, next. is always blue. and the kids always eat their vegetables. because the salad there is always served with the original hidden valley ranch. aren't moving in the right direction,bers it can be a burden. but what if you could wake up to lower blood sugar? imagine loving your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®. with over 6 million prescriptions and counting, it's the #1 prescribed sglt2 inhibitor that works to lower a1c. invokana® is used along with diet and exercise to
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possible signs donald trump's birther attacks are starting to hurt the texas senator. a new des moines regger bloomburg poll shows ted cruz with 25% support. but cruz is fighting back knocking trump for playing "born in the usa in his rallies." i think he may shift to playing new york because donald comes from new york and he has american values and listen the donald seems to be a little rattled. >> is he athena jones live with more on this. good morning athena. >> i don't think donald trump would say he's rattled but it is clear he's keeping up this birther attack on cruz. doesn't seem he's going to let up soon. and the lead went from ten points to just three points now. but it is not clear that it is
completely this birther issue. cruz being the front runner is under attack interest all sides including marco rubio. and the poll showed just 15% of the folks they talked to showed they were bothered by or concerned about cruz's citizenship. 83% said they weren't concerned. maybe this isn't baked in. we know trump is continuing to hammer on this. we know from our folks at trump and cruz events on the ground in iowa tha this issue was coming up. the poll was conducted between thursday and sunday. it is possible these birther attacks are continuing to sink? b in but in a larger sense the race is very very tight. no matter the poll it is a battle between trump and cruz. sometimes who's on top changes a bit but trump a and cruise on top. there is a built for thinker place going on between rubio and carson. everyone else is five percent or
below. chris christie and jeb bush, 3 and 4%. so not even on the screen in this case. so that is not good news for them. and also talking about marco rubio, for all the talk about trump and cruz, rubio, this is a good poll for him. he's moved up from fourth place to third place. he's the only so called "establishment" candidate who's anywhere near the top. and i spoke with the campaign, they are very please with the progression in iowa and we have 129 d 19 days in the caucuses. still two debates. and a lot of people still haven't made up their mind. this poll was 56% of people they talked to either could change their mind or hadn't even decided on their first choice so 19 days is a long time in primary politics, carol. >> it is athena. thanks so much.
>> governor nikki haley is refusing to back down after she took heat from her conservative colleagues for using her response to the state of the union to say that republicans share sol of the blame for divisiveness in the country. >> while democrats in washington bear much responsible for the problems facing america, they do not bear it alone. there is more than enough blame to go around. we as republicans need to own that truth. the foundation that has made america that last best hope on earth hasn't gone anywhere. it still exists. it is up to us to return to it. >> and today on new day she drove the point home. >> we need to look in the mirror. we need to look at how we've been spending. we need to look at our debt. we need to look at how we're handling national security and all of those things and say okay we're going to be a positive role in this.
we need to move forward and get out of the political rhetoric. there is too much of that. with if we're really going do do something we need to show action not words. >> welcome s.e. cupp. can you hear me? >> yes i have you. >> good. welcome. i'm glad you are here with me this morning. after nikki haley in her response to the state of the union, colter was vicious -- an daughter of immigrant bus news flash she was born in south carolina, so what should we make of this if anything? >> i can't comment on ann colter. i truly believe she's a performance artist. i don't think she really believes the things she says. but i think it is really sort of
lamentable that conservatives who admit that some republicans have been unproductive is somehow suddenly a self loathing republican. i don't think it is a stretch to say that some of republicans have been unhelpful, whether it's attempting to shut down the government or some of the rhetoric that republicans have used. i think it is crazy to suggest that all republicans are perfect and all democrats are jerks. so i think what she said, which were really just a couple of comments in a much larger commentary on correcting president obama's fantasy land version of the country we're living in right now. i think those comments though were a good reminder to voters and republicans that if we're going to move forward and we're going to convince the country to vote for republicans again when it comes to winning the white house we've got to be honest.
we've got to be productive. we've got to be introspective and reflective. so i thought the tone was right on. i thought it was remarkable the way that she painted a contrast not only with president obama's, you know, unrealistic version of where the country is. but also donald trump's doom and gloom apocalyptic, dispopian, barbarians at the gate america. that was a really interesting and i think useful contrast and line she walked. >> one of the most interesting thing is governor haley told don lemon that the republican national committee approved her speech. reince priebus tweeted afterwards that she did a great job. he said our party is the new, young and diverse party. and as, you know, there is this split between establishment republicans and of course more conservative republicans like donald trump and ted cruz. so was this the rnc's way of like campaigning against donald
trump and ted cruz? >> no, i mean long before donald trump the rnc has been engaged in a very introspective look at the republican party and the mistakes republicans made in 2008 and 2012. and have been interested in reaching new voters. how crazy is that? and so the idea that they liked nikki haley's speech, which was sbroeptive, introspective as as much as calling out for the failures they are responsible for i'm not surprised they took to that kind of language. and it is a good reminder, there are nikki haley conservatives out there. lots of them. they might not look like or sound like republicans of yesterday but i'd be willing to bet there are a lot more nikki haley conservatives than there are donald trump conservatives
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scarce to find in that area. and to even brush your teeth you have to have another source of water. and for months people claimed they had no idea the unsafe levels were inside their own drinking level supplies. this happened after flint decided to switch off that you are water from detroit and decided to use water from the flint, river. of course that had lade in it. and when it came to the lead pipes in the area they didn't treat that and now you have people with high lead levels in their bloodstream. we've also been told only 2% of the population have been tested. a lot of people are going around town looking for waters like. this and we're talking about brown brakish water that people have been dealing with for months and said it smells as well. and lead has long-term effects. they want the governor to start pushing forward with more initiatives to get clean water
book into people's hands. flint needs more action and less talk. it is important to remember this crisis was --. and the state's ultimate responsibility to act and make it right. at the state of the union tonight i spoke to president obama and reiterated my call for federal assistance due to lack of sufficient response from the state. i will continue to do everything i can to get immediate resources to help address the ongoing crisis. i heard one church supervisor talk about breaking down water bottles from six packs to three packs so people could ride home with it on their bikes. people still paying for their water bills despite the fact they can't even use the water. and hoping there will be a change and hoping fema will step
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4th. now, everyone needs to know, of that amount, more than $1 billion has now gone to good causes around the country like public education, college scholarships, help for our veterans and senior citizens. this is a win-win for the entire country, carol. >> yes, it is. but it is also a big win for the lottery. okay, so let's say no one wins the drawing this time around, too. how big would the jackpot get? >> carol, someone's got to win tonight. that's my hope. but if they don't, we will decide later on this morning what that prize might roll to. but i don't even want to think about that. someone's bound to win tonight. >> wait, how do you decide that? do you get a meeting and go, well, i think it should be, like, $2 billion. how do you decide? >> we'll look carefully at where sales ended up last night and where sales are through early this morning and then make that determination sometime after the noon hour more than likely. >> okay. so here's the thing.
word is -- and i read this in "the los angeles times" this morning and it was fascinating -- that you guys changed the rules last year to combat slumping sales. in other words, you made it more difficult to run -- to win, rather, because people weren't so jazzed about winning a $300 million jackpot, but boy, they could be really jazzed about winning a $1.5 billion jackpot. so how did you change the rules that made it more difficult for people to win? >> isn't that interesting, carol, that people were no longer getting excited about just a 100 or $200 million jackpot. so we made the change. we increased the odds of winning the top prize. we increased those from 1 in 175 million to 1 in 292 million. and i think you can see that our players have responded to that change with incredible excitement. kn now, we had a winner one into that change last november. that just shows you never know if you might be holding that
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their two boats say the sailors apologized for drifting into iranian waters. vice president joe biden told cbs news the u.s. actually did not apologize. >> no, there was no apology. there's nothing to apologize for. when you have a problem with the boat, you apologize the boat had a problem? no. and there was no looking for any apology. >> okay. so let's get more clarity. we may get more clarity when secretary of state john kerry speaks at the national defense university. we'll carry that speech for you live. but we want clarity right now, right? let's head to the pentagon and cnn's barbara starr. did the united states apologize or not? >> reporter: good morning, carol. a short time ago the state department spokesman, john kirby, also issuing a statement saying that secretary of state john kerry did not apologize to the iranians, and the iranian foreign minister zarif tweeting that he was very pleased that everything was resolved very quickly in this episode.
the question that perhaps is still open on this point is whether any of these ten sailors, while they were being held by the iranian revolutionary guard corps on the island, whether they said to any of those iranian naval personnel, you know, we're sorry this happened. that's part of the debrief going on of the sailors at the moment. what did they say to the iranians? what did the iranians question them about? everything that happened while they were essentially iranian custody. and the other big question, perhaps even the bigger question, how did all of this even happen in the first place? what happened to those two small navy boats that were out in the persian gulf that were waiting to be refuelled? how did they drift intoranian waters? did they have a mechanical problem? did they have a propulsion problem? did they make a navigation mistake? did they simply run out of fuel? but whatever it is, both sides appear to agree at this point,
it was inadd vert ept, it was accidental. and when a mariner comes under some sort of distress at sea, the rule of the road is basically you render assistance and then send them back to their home country after several hours. that is what the iranians did. and by all accounts, that was at the behest of the central iranian government which has a much bigger fish to fry, which is to get that iranian nuclear agreement into full force without any sensitivities and any holding back of the funds, the embargoed funds, that the iranians want back. still, when you look at the photos that have been distributed on iranian media today of these young sailors in iranian custody, i don't know whether they're, you know, expressions on their face are boredom or concerned. you see that one female sailor in the corner with her hair covered. clearly these ten sailors spent some hours somewhere that they didn't really want to be. carol? >> you've probably got that
right. barbara starr reporting live from the pentagon, thank you. i want to bring in fareed zakaria, the host of "fareed zakaria gps." thanks for stopping by. so this apology thing, let's talk about that because it's very important to the iranians, but the u.s. doesn't want to seem weak to americans, so what should we make of that? >> well, at some level, it's a minor incident at sea. these things do happen. boats do accidentally transgress and cross over into territorial waters as barbara was saying, there's a procedure for it. it just is happening at a very tense time. it's happening, you know, days before iranian sanctions are likely to be lifted if iran complies. there are a lot of people suspicious, waiting to see if iran will comply. at the same time, there are people within iran who are trying in various ways to ensure that the nuclear deal doesn't turn into a broader rapprochement with the united states. the iranian hard-liners view is
we're doing the nuclear deal because we're willing to put these constraints on our program in return for the fact that we get these sanctions lifted, but that's it. the united states is still our enemy. we are still opposed to them in every way. so, you know, there's almost two games going on. there's a geostrategic game where the united states and iran are in a kind of cold war in the middle east still. and there's, you know, a great deal of suspicion, and that's why these boats are patrolling. but the other one is a debate, a battle within iran, between iran's hard-liners who want to scuttle any kind of good relations between the u.s. and iran and the government, the central government, rouhani and zarif and the foreign minister who have been trying to create a kind of opening for a new relationship. >> see, everything is complicated surrounding this incident. i talked to general hertling earlier this morning. i hate to keep harping on this apology, but he said yes the united states should apologize to iran because we went into their waters and we weren't supposed to. i would bet most americans out
there would say, are you kidding? >> it's a -- you know, it's a good example of how the emotion and the images kind of overwhelm reality. i think what general hertling was saying, which makes a lot of sense, is, look. if you accidentally violate some country's sovereignty by going into their land or waters, and you didn't mean to, you know, it's nothing wrong with saying hey, i'm sorry, this was a mistake. but because it's the united states and iran and again at this moment it becomes a very difficult thing to do. it would be, you know, remember the cold war. the united states and soviet union had these incidents that were often these sensitivities of who backed down? who made the concession? you know, at some level, this is almost like a poker game where neither side wants to admit that they backed off first. >> okay. so the big picture. the iranian deal, the sanctions possibly being lifted soon. should americans be afraid? >> no. americans should be, i think,
very relieved that the only reason the sanctions will get lifted is if iran has complied with their part of the bargain and if the international atomic energy agency testifies to that. now, what does that involve? that involves shutting down the plutonium facility, which is the most common, most frequent, most explosive path to a nuclear bomb. that's going to be shut down completely. dismantling the vast majority of their centrifuges that produce uranium. shipping out 98% of the enriched uranium they have. in other words, they're going from being three months away from having the potential to have a nuclear bomb to probably a year and a half away, you know, 18 months away. but all of a sudden, the fuse has been lengthened enormously. so, of course, we should be pleased about that. it doesn't change the fact that there is a rivalry between the united states and iran, and that will persist as this episode shows. >> absolutely.
fareed zakaria, thank you so much for stopping by. >> pleasure. fareed zakaria gps airs every sunday, 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn. president obama did not mention the incident with iran during his final state of the union. instead, the president focused on rallying the american people by selling a sense of optimism. his challenge? reject partisan politics, set aside cynicism, and work together to find common-sense solutions. here are some of the highlights from the president's address. >> the president of the united states! [ applause ] >> thank you. i'm going to try to make it a little shorter. i know some of you are antsy to get back to iowa. anyone claiming that america's economy is in decline is peddling fiction. what is true, and the reason that a lot of americans feel
anxious, is that the economy has been changing in profound ways. i'm guessing we won't agree on health care any time soon. but -- a little applause back there. let's make america the country that cures cancer once and for all. what do you say? look, if anybody still wants to dispute the science around climate change, have at it. you will be pretty lonely. let me tell you something. the united states of america is the most powerful nation on earth, period. if this congress is serious about winning this war and wants to send a message to our troops and the world, authorize the use of military force against isil. take a vote. it's one of the few regrets of my presidency. that the rancor and suspicion between the parties has gotten worse instead of better. if we want a better politics, it's not enough just to change a
congressman or change a senator or even change a president. we have to change the system to reflect our better selves. i stand here as confident as i have ever been that the state of our union is strong! thank you! god bless you! god bless the united states of america! >> all right. on the republican side of things, ted cruz is sitting atop a new poll out of iowa, but simmering underneath, possible signs donald trump's birther attacks are starting to hurt the texas senator. a "des moines register"/bloomberg poll shows cruz with 25% support, that's a 6-point drop over last month when he had 31%. athena jones live in washington with more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. yeah, trump is continuing to bash cruz over the head with this birther issue. it doesn't look like he's going to be letting up. but look, this poll is good news for cruz in the sense that he is still on top.
but it's also good news in a way for trump because, look, he closed that gap. there was a ten-point gap a month ago. he's closed that gap down to three points. it's not clear, you know, what caused cruz to slide a bit. is it the birther attacks? is it the fact that he's the front-runner, and so he's under attack from all sides including folks like marco rubio? because take a look. this poll showed that when people were asked about cruz's citizenship issue and whether it's a concern, only 15% said that it was a concern. 83% said they weren't bothered by this. now, the poll was taken just over between thursday and sunday. so it's possible that trump's attacks haven't really been baked in. our folks on the ground report back that these trump and cruz events in iowa, the issue is coming up. so that could still do some damage. but the main thing is this poll confirms what we've been talking about recently, which is that the race in iowa is very, very tight. it's a battle for the top spot between cruz and trump. some polls may show trump a little bit with the edge. several polls showing cruz with the edge.
and then you can see there, there's a battle going on for third place as well between marco rubio and ben carson. rubio has actually inched up from fourth to third place in this poll. and everybody else is at 5% or below. so folks like chris christie, jeb bush, they're at 3% and 4%. they're not even on the screen. but i've got to remind everyone, carol, that there's still 19 days to go before the february 1st caucuses. there's still two debates to go. and there are a lot of folks who have not made up their minds. we're seeing this in several polls including this one. more than half in this poll with 56% of voters they talked to said they either hadn't decided on their final first choice or that they could change their mind about who their first choice is. so there's a long way to go in these next 19 days, and some of these candidates are going to need that time. carol? >> we hear you, athena jones reporting live from washington, thank you. still to come in the "newsroom," joe biden says hillary clinton is new to the fight on income inequality.
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diplomacy. >> vice president biden offered his thoughts on why he thinks bernie sanders is resonating. he said that he thinks it's about senator sanders' positions on income inequality. and the vice president said, quote, it's relatively new for hillary to talk about that. that's been bernie's. no one questions bernie's authenticity on those issues. what's your reaction? >> well, the vice president, who i deeply respect and regard as a friend, went on to say, as i recall, but, you know, hillary clinton has a lot of very good economic policies that are thoughtful and on and on. look, i have been working toward closing the gaps between people, poor people and well-off people primarily all my adult life. i went to work for the children's defense fund. i helped reform the education system in arkansas. i was a legal services lawyer defending poor people. i went to work to try to make sure that we got health care in the beginning of my husband's administration because of so many people who were left out and were uninsured.
i have been on this issue in many different ways. how do we make education more equal? how do we make health care more equal? of course, that's tied to income equality, but there is also a broader range of issues that i have a long record addressing. and when i was in the senate, i took on corporate executive pay, a lot of the abuses that i thought were there. i took on these derivatives and credit default swaps that contributed to the collapse of the economy and the great recession. i stood up to wall street. i called them out. so i have a very long record. i have a broader agenda. it's not the only think i talk about because i think you have to view equality of opportunity and how we deliver that in the 21st century from many different perspectives. and that's what i try to do. >> and since you have been devoting much of your career to talking about this, why do you think the vice president would say it's more in bernie's
wheelhouse and it's about his authenticity? >> oh, i don't know. you know, i have a lot of regard for the vice president, and i think he clarified what he said and said he was talking about me when i was secretary of state. well, when i was secretary of state, i couldn't talk about domestic policy. there's an unwritten rule, you do not meddle in domestic policy when you are secretary of state, or for that matter secretary of defense. so yes, for four years, despite a long career both in and out of public service where i have been relentless in talking about these issues, there were four years when i did not. i talked about how we're going to get iran to the negotiating table and try to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon, how we're going to, you know, deal with the rising china, what we're going to do about women's rights, something that goes to the heart of inequality. so i had a different agenda because i had a different job. >> so you didn't take biden's comments as a slight? >> no, not at all. >> you are introducing your tax plan. one of the headlines is that you would impose a 4% surcharge on
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it's just wrong. it diminishes us in the eyes of the world. >> the president's remarks were highlighted visually by one of the first lady's special guests, a syrian refugee. i thought we were going to see it, but it was a very powerful picture. with me now to talk about this, errol lewis and noah shockman, executive editor of the daily beast. welcome to both of you. >> good morning, carol. >> hey. >> good morning. errol, can you remember a time when a president singled out someone running to replace him in a state of the union? >> i don't know if it's so much a singling out of donald trump. i mean, it's a sentiment that's reflected by a number of candidates. i mean, there were also comments made about, you know, carpet bombing civilians, which is an allusion to something that ted cruz said. this is, i think, the president trying to define not just donald trump and push back on a specific policy, but really sort of the entire republican ticket, the entire republican brand.
i think he's sort of warning against going in that direction. it will be of some help, i guess, to the democratic ticket in the fall. but it's also deeply felt politics by this president. >> and apparently it's an emotion that nikki haley, the governor of south carolina, the republican governor, also feels because in her response to president obama's state of the union, she also brought up the divisiveness in this country, and she seemed to single out donald trump. let's listen. >> during anxious times, it can be tempting to follow the siren call of the angriest voices. we must resist that temptation. no one who is willing to work hard, abide by our laws, and love our traditions should ever feel unwelcome in this country. >> and noah, with those words, nikki haley inspired sort of a backlash from some conservatives like ann coulter who fetweeted
"donald trump should deport nikki haley." as you know, nikki haley was born to immigrant parents, but she was actually born in south carolina. but that said, you get the drift here. so does this mean anything? should we take away anything from this, noah? >> yeah, i mean, to me, haley's address was in some ways more remarkable than obama's. have you ever had a situation where the president and his, you know, supposed adversary are going after the same person? i think it's a sort of cry from sort of traditional mainstream politics to try to keep the fringe from taking over. and i thought it was amazing. >> donald trump did respond on fox news this morning, errol. he said that -- i'm going to pull this up so i can get it exactly right. he said, "nikki haley is very weak on illegal immigration" and added that "she's not off to a good start if she wants to be considered for his running mate." thoughts?
go ahead, errol. >> i mean, you know, that -- the conventional wisdom is that nikki haley's remarkable performance, i mean, i agree with noah. it was really sort of extraordinary that she was kind of trying to guide her own policy as much as respond to the president. but the conventional wisdom is that she was auditioning for a spot on somebody's ticket as the vice president. i thought it was an interesting and command performance. and she represents a different form of sort of advancing, frankly, the same policies. i mean, she is not soft on immigration no matter what donald trump might say about that. this is not something that she's going to be different on. but she's portraying the policies in a light that is more tolerant, more sort of mainstream. she's talking about a general election stance or at least tone that can win over some voters. now, donald trump is in primary mode. he has absolutely no interest in that right now. so the clash between them, of course, is natural. >> and lest we forget, noah,
nikki haley is conservative. she's supported by the tea party. >> yeah, she's super conservative, but she doesn't want the republican party to turn into a white nationalist party, to turn into a kind of fascist party. you know, there's a lot of concern that that's the drift right now. and so nikki haley and a lot of other principled conservatives are trying to stop that. >> all right. i have to leave it there. noah shactman, errol louis, thanks to you both. as you heard, nikki haley took a swipe at the gop front-runner, donald trump, but she did not let any other republican off the hook either. this morning on "new day," haley doubled down on her message that republicans share the blame for political divisiveness in this country. >> we need to look in the mirror. we need to look at how we've been spending. we need to look at our debt. we need to look at how we're handling national security and all those things and say, okay, we're going to be a positive role in this. we're going to start to move forward and get out of all the political rhetoric.
there's too much of that. if we're really going to do something, we need to show action, not words. >> and you said that your party is responsible for its own share. how so? what do you mean? >> well, you know, i think that we've got republicans who want their projects as much as we have democrats. i think we've got republicans who have increased our debt just like we've seen democrats. i think we see republicans who are not always being responsible with their words in terms of, you know, extending our tent, making sure that people who abide by our laws and abide by our traditions feel accepted in this country. and so i think it's important for republicans to really understand we have to really look at the responsibility that we have and what we want to do to keep this country the greatest, freest country in the world. and that just means making sure that everyone feels welcome. >> while some conservatives derided haley for her message, many others offered praise including reince priebus who tweeted "great job." still to come in the "newsroom," l.a. ready, set,
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either way you split it, st. louis fans are devastated. >> it's just pressi idepressinga team that i love and poured all my sundays into for years just leave. >> i feel you. with me now to talk about this is andy scholes and cnn media reporter dylay byers. i want to start in st. louis because growing up i was a browns fan, and i know what it's like to get your heart torn out. in fact, i can't root for the browns to this day. that's why i root for the detroit lions. what did st. louis do that was so horrible that the rams had to move to l.a., andy? >> well, you know, it was all about the stadium and the dollars, carol. you know, it was all about who was going to put up the money and who was going to be able to pay for a new fancy stadium for an nfl team. because when these stadiums get old like the edward jones dome is in st. louis, nfl stadiums need ones with fancy suites for people to spend lots of money. in st. louis, they had a decent
offer on the table, a $1.1 billion riverfront stadium they were willing to put up. the only thing, they were asking for more money than the nfl wanted to put up. stan kroenke's offer was too good to pass up. >> dylan, i don't know, it just kind of makes me sick in a way. >> sure. i grew up in seattle, and i remember when we lost the seattle supersonics. it's not easy. one thing that is important to understand, look, there's a lot of money at stake here for a team like the rams. there's obviously a big financial impact for the city of st. louis. but we shouldn't overstate it. it's not by any means catastrophic. there's a great deal of civic pride in having a football team. obviously, you know, football rules the roost in terms of american sports. but, you know, the actual level, you know, the jobs that the st. louis rams brings to a city like st. louis versus other major employers in the area is not
major. and if you're the owner, you're looking at los angeles, second biggest city in the country, biggest county in the country, as this huge untapped market. and if you have the sort of money that stan kroenke has, you can do it. >> i know, but andy, but los angeles might get two teams which makes really no sense to me. >> well, i mean, carol, there's lots of transplants in los angeles, right? so if you're a lions fan and the lions are playing in l.a. -- >> i have to watch them at 9:00 in the morning. >> it would be a cool experience, right, to go to a $2 billion stadium in englewood and watch your team play. and then, of course, you know, there were a lot of rams fans in los angeles to begin with. i mean, the team did play there for 48 years. so some of the fans there did hang on to the rams. so there's lots of interest for an nfl team in los angeles. that being the rams or the chargers or both, you know. san diego -- >> but why both? that's what i'm saying. why both? >> why the jets and giants in new york? >> california is a huge state! >> well, jets and giants in new york, carol.
>> good point. >> there's lots of los angeles fans that were chargers fans. i think a big base of the chargers fans would drive down every sunday to go to those games. so i think it's going to be great for the nfl, and i think a lot of fans are happy about it, especially obviously in los angeles. not so much in san diego and st. louis, obviously. >> well, yeah, but, you know, dylan, as much as these things -- because this seems to happen in the nfl a lot, frankly -- people keep watching. the nfl just has us brainwashed. >> you know, as the folks in the nfl like to say, they own the day of the week. they're the only industry to own the day of the week and the first to do it since the church. you know, to your point about why does los angeles need two teams, the reason that the san diego chargers even got involved in this fight to try to come to los angeles was because the rams were threatening that big southern california market. los angeles obviously brings in a lot more fans, a lot more
television viewers than san diego does. as soon as the rams come to l.a., that's a threat to the chargers whether they go to l.a. or whether they stay in san diego. they are hoping that by going to l.a., they can emerge as sort of the dominant team over the rams, sort of the lakers to the clippers, if you will. but, you know, they have a year to decide whether or not to do it. and if not, then it becomes oakland's decision. >> all right. have to leave it there. thanks, guys. andy scholes, dylan byers. a record $1.5 billion up for grabs in tonight's powerball jackpot drawing. and if you're lucky, you could be walking away with $930 million, that is if you take the lump sum. but that's only if you actually win. this weekend's drawing marks the 19th time without a grand prize winner. tonight's drawing, 10:59 eastern. still to come in the "newsroom," we're just minutes away from a speech by secretary of state john kerry whose swift diplomacy is being credited in this morning's release of ten u.s. sailors in iran. stay tuned for live coverage
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new video just into cnn from the iranian news agency, and it shows our american sailors being turned over to american authorities. these are the ten navy sailors whose boat drifted into iranian waters, supposedly illegal waters. the iranian took them into custody and held them overnight for nearly a day. you can see the sailors sitting there, and you can see the iranians, i would suppose, looking at these americans' passports. well, there's conflicting information about whether the sailors apologized to the iranians or some u.s. official apologized and then the iranians released the sailors back into american custody. and that, i believe, is what you're seeing right now.
now, at any moment now, the secretary of state, john kerry, is expected to deliver a speech on foreign policy at the national defense university in washington. kerry's diplomatic efforts now being credited for the release of those sailors. and as i said, they were detained after drifting into iranian waters. iran, as i said, said the americans were freed after an apology. the state department and the vice president now pushing back, saying absolutely no apology was made. so let's get the scoop from cnn's chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto, also cnn military analyst lieutenant colonel rick fran cone thkofran. welcome to both of you. jim, can you parse this out? who said what? why are some denying it and others not? >> the state department saying in no uncertain terms that there was no apology. let me quote if i can from the state department spokesman, john kirby. "there is no truth in reporting that secretary kerry apologized to the iranians.
he expressed gratitude to ir iranian authorities." he thanked them, he did not apologize to them, and i'm hearing that from the white house as well. one note about the video you're seeing there, and again, as you say, sourced to iranian tv, that appears to be the moment of capture when those sailors were there on their knees, as you see in the video, with their hands up or their hands behind their head really not a pretty picture to see. i mean, i talked to a lot of guys in the military, and you can see from the expressions on those u.s. sailors' faces, they were not happy with the situation. from the very beginning as you know, carol, administration officials saying that there was nothing hostile about this act. no hostile intentions here. they believe that it was merely a mechanical issue. the boat had an issue. the iranians came and detained them because they were in iranian waters by accident, it appears, not by intention.
but i'll tell you, when you see sailors or soldiers with their hands behind their heads on their knees, it raises the question, how were they taken? what were the circumstances under which they were taken? we don't know yet. i have asked if they were taken at gunpoint. those images certainly uncomfortable, i would say, to see. >> colonel francona, we saw those weapons being laid out, you know, on the boat those i assume were from the american sailors. so how exactly would such a thing go down, generally speaking? >> okay. what happens, you drift into somebody's territorial waters, normally you're looking for assistance. we're not at war with iran. you normally expect other seamen to come out and render assistance. this is what happens when they come into our waters. this happens more often than it is reported. you simply greet, see if you can representeder assistance, get them back into their own territorial waters. if they need medical assistance, navigational assistance, mechanical assistance, you do what you can on the high seas.
what the iranians did was a gross overreaction. of course, this is the irgc. they're very aggressive. and they're at odds with the moderates who are running the country. so this was more of a power play between the iranians than it had to do with the americans. jim is absolutely right. there was no reason for the iranians to put those people on their knees with their hands behind their heads at gunpoint. >> i would suppose iran wanted to show these images on iranian tv to show how tough they are against the great united states, says right? and that's why iran is so insistent that america did indeed issue an apology, isn't that right, jim? >> absolutely. there is so much message sending here. and rick makes a great point. this is the revolutionary guards. they are, in effect, the armed wing of the hard-liners in the iranian government. they're very forward leaning, one might describe them in terms of relations with the u.s., uncomfortable with the nuclear deal with iran. and they've had encounters
before with foreigners. they took 13 british sailors in 2007 for a number of days. they fired rockets near a u.s. aircraft carrier just a couple of weeks ago not towards the aircraft carrier, but it wasn't an accident that they were close to a u.s. aircraft carrier when they did. so this is all about messaging. it's all about propaganda at this point. and those images certainly very powerful from their perspective. >> all right. so jim, stand by. colonel francona, stand by. i've got to take a break. when we come back, perhaps the secretary of state will begin speaking. i'll be right back. the gillette mach 3 turbo still feels better after 10 shaves than a disposable on it's first. mach 3 blades have twice the coatings. for a closer shave with zero redness. get an incredible experience shave after shave after shave. gillette. the best a man can get.
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i want to take you back out to the national defense university. you see it there on the right-hand side of your screen. we're awaiting secretary of state john kerry to be introduced to begin speaking. the press is invited to this event, so we expect kerry to talk about what happened in the persian gulf yesterday. on the left side of your screen,
you're seeing pictures from the iranian news agency. and these pictures are of those ten u.s. navy sailors that were detained by iranian authorities after their boat drifted into international waters. someplace they were not supposed to be. and these sailors were detained for hours. in fact, they were held overnight. they were just freed very early this morning. i want to bring back in jim sciutto and lieutenant colonel rick francona. jim, what can we expect john kerry to say this morning? >> on this issue, the message from john kerry, the message from the white house is the same. they're saying gratitude, this was resolved quickly, and it could not have been resolved quickly without the new diplomacy between the u.s. and iran. that this channel between john kerry and his iranian counterpart, the iranian foreign minister, they spoke very soon after the sailors were taken. without that channel, this would not have been resolved so quickly. so they're spinning what is, and as you're watching those
pictures, carol, something you can't but call extremely uncomfortable. u.s. sailors on their knees, hands behind their back, held overnight. they're spinning that as a victory of diplomacy, in effect. and i think you can expect to hear john kerry say more on that. >> all right. i'm going to let you go, jim, because i know you're gathering new information for our viewers. and i want to continue our conversation with colonel francona. so what happens to these sailors now? >> well, they're going to be -- they're back in u.s. custody. they're going to be debriefed thoroughly. what we need to find out, what were the exact circumstances of that seizure? and they were in iranian waters. but how did they get there? and why were they not covered by other navy assets? there's a whole series of things that we need to look at to find out how this happened and make sure it doesn't happen again. somebody did something wrong out there. they said there was some indication maybe they're out of fuel. how could they be out of fuel? so there's a whole lot of questions that need to be answered. >> all right.
i have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. i'm kate wauld bibolduan. >> and i'm john berman. this new video just into cnn that shows the moment ten u.s. sailors were taken into custody by the iranian revolutionary guard. you can see them with their hands behind their heads, provocative video to be sure. again, cnn just confirmed this video is of the nine men and one woman who were held overnight after their two boats entered iranian waters. that's what the iranians say. the americans were released this morning. u.s. military says there are no indication that the sailors were harmed in any way during their detention. >> according to the pentagon, the ten americans had been traveling from kuwait to bahrain. they were held then at an iranian naval base. and just hours